My Thoughts on The “Flow Hive”


Hi everybody, Cody here. So I did promise that I would do a beekeeping video every week and so here I am. although I didn’t go home this weekend, so I didn’t get to work with my bees and if you look around a bit… winter came, so I wouldn’t want to open them today anyway. It’s kind of late for winter and the snow will be gone pretty soon, so I will be back at my bees probably next week. in which case I want to start making queens as soon as possible. Anyway, since I don’t have a bee video I thought I might as well talk about something that has been going viral on the internet. I don’t know if you guys have seen it but it’s the Flow Hive, where you turn a tap and the honey comes out of the hive. [interlude music] I’ve been flooded with messages about it, people posting links to my profile and everybody loves it and they want to know what I think about it because I am an experienced Beekeper I have been keeping bees for over 12 years. [ bee sounds ] And, uh… as I began telling people, I don’t really like the idea. I’m okay with, they can go do it if they want I consider it to be a toy, it’s not something that’s actually going to help bees, even though they keep saying it will help bees, it’s not. I can tell you a few reasons why. The problems you are going to have include, the fact that the bees, they cap the honey around the outside first. The middle of the frame is going to have incurred honey. [ no audio ] And so, from the edge of it, it’s going to look like it’s full. And you drain the honey, the middle of it going to drain out first and that going to be incurred honey and you don’t want to harvest that. It’s not even honey at that point and if you don’t pasteurize it, it will actually ferment because of the high water content and the runny honey they are taking out of the hive does look like it has quite a bit of water in it One of the things they are saying is they don’t open the hive as much because you don’t have to disturb the bees to get the hive off. Well, the thing is, you are going to have to take the hive apart to see how much honey they have. It’s going to be very difficult to see in from the side because you have bees there. Also, you’re not taking apart the hive well, you’re going to do that anyway to check on the bees Bee keepers do that all the time. Granted, you won’t have to brush the bees off and disturb them that way, you know, to get to the honey and take the honey out But then you are running into the problem that now you’ve got empty boxes with no honey in it which has caps on it, so they bees will think there’s honey there So they bees are going to migrate up into the upper box they usually go up to the upper part of the hive anyway, when they’re wintering. And they will eat a little honey there and if there is nothing there, then they will be too cold to move around and they will actually freeze in place and they’ll starve to death. This happens to hives all the time when you take honey out of the top box and just leave it an empty space. So we usually, as bee keepers, we take the top boxes off, even if we don’t harvest the honey we’ll blow the bees out, take the top box out So that they are in a smaller space and have more contact with the large frames of honey So they can actually, over winter, without entering an area with no honey and not be able to cross it. Anyway, I have talked to many bee keepers about this, and many of them think the same thing. One bee keeper I talked to yesterday, he’s from Alaska, he has Alaskan bees He looks at this as the dumbest idea ever. [laugh] And, uh, I kind of agree with him, although I won’t hurt them at all I won’t slow them down but $4 million dollars they collected on their indigogo campaign. And I think that is just absurd, they don’t need that much money They might make that cause it’s probably going to be a fad for a while But then bee keepers are going to find out that it really doesn’t do you any good. Commercial bee keepers aren’t going to do this You’re going to get people at home that have never really had bees they are going to try this out. You might get away with it if it’s just a little demonstration hive the bees will probably die that year It might work great for an observational bee hive, because you can watch the honey drain out. Might be cool to watch But you know, $4 million dollars, I think that would be much better spent with some other aspect of bees something that is actually killing the bees, like the varroa mite or the foulbrood. There are some of my friends at BYU that are actually creating a cure for American Foulbrood. I think we should be throwing all that money towards them draining the honey out in a different way might raise awareness of bees It might get more people into bee keeping but bees are still going to die unless we throw some money towards some things that are actually going to save the bees, like getting rid of the mites. [no audio] Anyway, that’s my little spiel, I’ll see you guys next time. [awkward laugh]

Comments

  1. ahh yah may not work on places with harsh winters but on tropical countries where winters are "hot" it can (?)… i'm just guessing i have no knowledge on bees.
    And what about adding a artificial heat source? Might solve the freezing problem.

  2. flow is not a hive and the idea of a hive is centuries old. they did not make the hive. it should be false advertising. also that product is made form plastic. a material that doesnt belong in a hive.

  3. It looks like a gimmick to me, I just started beekeeping and I decided to just stick to how it's been done for years.

  4. It's absurd because they have already been made in china a 7pc set and it's much cheaper. It's kinda weird that they have a kickstarter or whatever for it.

  5. It's absurd because they have already been made in china a 7pc set and it's much cheaper. It's kinda weird that they have a kickstarter or whatever for it.

  6. look up the channel run by Frederick dunn, he actually went and purchased the hives and has documented his experiences with the hives instead of just posting his thoughts on something he didn't buy.

  7. BYU? Do you by any chance mean bringham young university? The school owned by a church where it's mandated that you pray? I'm not sure I'd bet my money on any research from there.

  8. The people in this thread remind me of anti vaxers they know nothing themselves but will argue with people who have mountains of experience. It's hilarious.

  9. What if the hive was on a scale if the volume of the cells stays constant you should be able consistently know when the hive is full and from there give it some time to cure. Also i think the flow also drips residue honey on the bottom plate, may not be enough to support the whole bee-system but atleast your not 100%robbing

  10. Wait. So this won't get any good honey and save bees? I just wanted to help bees out! And is the original langstroth hive hard to take care of? I want to start beekeeping as a hobby while earning a little money along the way and helping the bees. Is the langstroth hive easy for beginners? Not too hard? Cause I did so much research on the FlowHive then I found this video and I want to make sure this video is credible in every aspect…

  11. but cody, think about the bees, we need to give thousands of dollars to some random people who pretend to know what they are talking about, because they said they wanted to save the bees!

  12. Cody is right, this thing is essentially a toy or gimmick. Like he said, its fine if you want it, but it really doesn't help actual beekeepers. It really is for novice beekeepers who want to try beekeeping.

  13. I don't think you should trust someone simply based on authority (12 years experience), but the mechanism that you describe does make sense.

  14. People like this disgust me. In essence you're hating on an idea that you have no clue how it works just because you're stuck in your old ways. They have been perfecting their product the same amount of time that you've been beekeeping. You're just biased against it probably because of your jealousy that they're making so much money. And hey good for them, they deserve it.

  15. Hey Cody what if you just use the flow frames and treat it like a regular hive but easier to harvest? Of course taking the frame out is very simular to traditional keeping just less equipment for extracting? That would make less filtering required. Of course the price of the flow frames are astronomical.

  16. Commercial anybody in every business never likes it when people start doing their own thing so then you get misinformation campaigns to make you second guess yourself. Its just a couple bucks so I'm going to try it. And no, you don't have to pasteurize honey that your going to eat, you don't have to pasteurize milk from a cow that your going to drink either.

  17. Hello Cody,
    Good point on spending the money on saving bees.
    Clearly, you see things from the perspective of a professional beekeeper. The Flowhive is expensive and it isn't worth the unit cost if you have 10+ families.
    For amateurs, however, is a boon: we won't have to buy extractors, hot knives, etc.
    I have done my due diligence, and your concerns about the water content of the honey coming out of the Flowhive are unfounded (look at Frederick Dunn's channel)
    I bought two Flowhives, and in a couple of months my first bees will arrive (yes, I'm as rookie as one can be).
    Honestly, I would not have gone into beekeeping had it not been for this invention.
    I'll keep you posted on developments

  18. I say more power to you ,but mites are pretty much the only check on the bees, bee species that are native to this country are just as good as the imported ones that were brought to the states a long time ago bees have been a pest encroaching on other pollinaters territories they are killing other native insect species making them borderline extinct i have no qualms with bees ,but they don't need are help to survive granted I love honey and beeswax,but other species of pollinater insects are important too and must be protected especially native ones

  19. I agree with Cody on this one. To me it's just a lazy man/woman bee hive. You have to check on the bees for moths, mice and fungus. And the money needs to go to research to stop what is killing the bees. Just my opinion.

  20. Don't knock it until you have tried it yourself Cody! These are just your opinions based on some videos you have watched. Until you have bought and personally evaluated this new type of hive over a few seasons, your opinion is no more valid than mine.

  21. We can all agree that cody is an experienced and influencial beekeeper. I wish Flowhive would contact him and offer a flowhive super that he could try for himself. Although I fear his strong bias will have the better of him, I trust that he is a man of science and rational thought.

    EDIT: I'm very biased towards flowhive, so that's out of the way.

  22. Like he says in the title, these are "his thoughts" on that hive. Whether he's right or wrong, interesting or boring, smart or silly, expert or clown, there's no need to be so rude and hating, be a light or scram out.

  23. Since that time, you have been proven wrong Sir 🙂
    Enjoy the costly lesson of mis-judging new technology without trying it out yourself in practice !

  24. This product has come up several times at my local bee club (~200 beekeepers) and no one was all that interested in trying it. Everyone already has langstroth extractors. And ironically the idea of extracting directly at the hive was pretty unpopular but that is because most of us in this area have hot hives no matter if we re-queen. Finally no one wants to buy any large cell foundation because of verrora

  25. I am considering getting into beekeeping as a hobby, I came across the flowhive and am doing research, thanks for the video sharing your information. I do have a question though. In the flowhive rather than the cells being made of beeswax they are made of plastic. What can or what would this do to the honey that the bees produce? Would that affect the quality? Would it technically be honey? How vital is beeswax in the process of honey production?

  26. Cody I've enjoyed many of your vids but in this case a little research would probably help. The Andersons have considerably more bee keeping experience than you and have been actually walking the sustainability walk, which includes serious concern for all living things, for longer than you've been alive. Much to their surprise their crowd funding efforts went viral. Don't let jealousy get in the way of good research.

  27. Next time wipe your shoes off before you put your foot in your mouth. 3 years and none of the "problems" have happened.

  28. it's his thoughts…why are people hating him for expressing his opinions? he's not forcing anyone to accept it right? move on if you don't agree….why r u forcing your hateful opinion on him instead? it's like saying the world is round …real irony

  29. You’re gonna have to take the frames out because your draining the frames of honey anyway.
    You can of course say that the bees will fill it back up in no time but you’re not harvesting during a good nectar flow, and

  30. I wonder why so many down votes? I think his opinion was well stated and didn’t come off as “I’m right, your wrong.” He stated valid concerns as to why natural vs synthetic and backed it with experience. I’m not a keeper but listening to both sides of a story helps make your personal decision less subjective and more objective.

  31. Next time you make a video about a product. You should actually use it and get informed.

    A scientist doesn't use opinions as facts, they use science. You completely failed as a scientist in this video.

  32. Comment statistics

    70%- Hating on Cody
    29%- Supporting Cody
    1%- Those 9 year olds who comment random letters thinking they're doing something

    BUT I AS A 10 YEAR OLD HAVE NO BUSINESS WITH THOSE SILLY 9 YEAR OLDS
    FOR I HAVE INTELLIGENCE NO 9 YEAR OLD COULD EVER HAVE AT THAT AGE

  33. Dude sorry but you are so wrong on so many levels about basically everything you said in this video. PLEASE do your research before you start to shit all over a product. I really expected better from you.

  34. Why don't you try something before doing a video on it? I think it's absurd to do a review on something you haven't used. What else do you judge without trying. Probably lots of things because it means you have to be willing to accept you could be wrong.

  35. i know this is an old video now but do you not think its highly unfair to discredit a system you have so little knoledge of? i mean if you had bourght one and shown issues in place sure but just to make comment on something you really have nothing to base that on if you havent tried it…. shame as it discredits the rest of your chanel.

  36. i agree with him but for some different reasons.  I have been beeking for 10- years.  I am in California and see  cristalized honey in combs.  This will prevent the ability of the frames to move and open the cells to allow the honey to be removed.  In the fall when I do my last harvenst it will be too cold for honey to flow easy.  If anything goes wrong with the hive (and it always does) it will be difficult to clean.  Calk brood, foul brood. wax months, ect.

  37. so are you going to take this vid down now that you've been proven wrong on all counts?
    you just sound jealous and i think it's pretty immoral for you to try and sabotage someone elses endeavors.

  38. So sad you are making comments about something you have not used which shows by the frame you are showing which is nothing like the frames used by the flow system.

  39. Bees need all the help they can get you absolute idiot all you are doing is negatively affecting people who want to start bee keeping.

  40. I'll admit, when I first saw these i thought, hey that seems like a cool idea. I'll also admit, I knew absoluteley nothing about bee keeping, but after watching all your bee keeping vids i was having the same kind of thoughts. I'm sure there will be slight differences betwen bee-keeping there, and bee-keeping in Australia (wintering for example) but i see your points and tend to agree

  41. 1st off – Good on you for making such a great following!

    However, as a "expert" your comments on the flowhive should be valid, BUT ALL your concerns are invalid & mute – ie.
    1. Cure vs uncured honey, yes you can tell when it is ready to harvest on the flowhive, not only is there a window BUT you can also take the roof off & give the frames a quick look without brushing & disturbing the hive. – Not difficult, nothing to scrape, no fancy equipment required.
    2. Cap vs Uncap – Bees can tell the difference under their feet and will remove the empty capped cells once harvested, as a "expert" you should know this, sad that I do & i've only been in this for a few months. As well, they get to focus more time and making honey instead of wax – therefore producing more honey per season than a standard hive with equal amount of frames.
    3. During Winter months the Honey Flow super should be removed and they will not be freezing to the empty honey frames… c'mon man. Again, prepare your brood box properly and this would be no difference than a regular hive.

    Anyway good on your for making honey & videos, just sad when people with the ability to reach so many people and provide actual advice & factual evidence just use their platform to spread misinformation. Try again.

  42. this fad is still going! and going even stronger than when u posted this video. lol

    flow hives work! just don't get lazy or impatient. you still need to check it as u would the traditional hive.

  43. I whole heartedly disagree and hope you revisit this concept. This is spoken by someone who has never used the product and yet tells you exactly what's wrong with it. I have 4 flow hives and 1 true comb.

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